Paul Mangion - [email protected]

Hi all
It seems this Paul Mangion is still active. I have a car for sale on CarsGuide.com.au, and got this reply today from a Paul Mangion email address [email protected]. Similar to the message others have recaived:

Thanks for getting back,i'm cool with the price likewise the condition as described on the advert,i work with New Zealand Oil and Gas (NZOG) and we are presently offshore in New Zealand Taranaki Basin on kupe project.We do not have access to phone at the momement and that's why I contacted you with internet messaging facility.Regarding the payment,i will be paying you through PayPal linked up with my westpac bank account,please get back to me with your paypal details so i can process the payment,you can alternatively send your bsb acct name and number if you have no PayPal acct.I have also contacted my courier who will come for pick up and deliver it to my place in Darwin after the whole fund has been cleared into your acct.
Await your reply.

I guess this is an operator to beware of.

Welcome to Scamwarners dogwalker,

In this scam the scammer is NOT interested in your car. He wants to steal your money. No one will ever come to pick up the vehicle. It is all a scam with the scammer playing all roles. The scammer is using a free email address and a fake name.


The scammer wanted to send you a fake Paypal payment. He has a fake Paypal address from a free email provider. The payment would look real. Its a screen shot of a fake payment. He then will instruct you to pay a mover, shipper or agent. The fake Paypal email from the scammer would say that your Paypal funds will be released when you send the scammer (mover,agent or shipper) money via Western Union or Money Gram. In reality Paypal would never hold your funds.

Log into Paypal directly without any links to check for monies received or call Paypal directly from the number on their site.

If you are selling electronics, Cell phones or computers then the scammer is trying to steal your "item". Your fake funds will be released when you send the scammer a scan copy of a receipt showing you mailed your item.

This same scam works with fake check and money orders. You and your bank will think they are real. After you cash the fake check. Days or weeks later your bank will inform you of the fraud. Your bank will have you repay the monies. Possibly close your account for fraud and report you to Law Enforcement.

The best thing to do is to sell in person face to face in a public place.

Hi all

I also received expression of interest from Paul Mangion at [email protected]. After I had replied and discussed details of payment and how the Vehicle Licence Transfer could be done if a courier was to collect the car, Paul Mangion emailed the following reply, his standard ploy it seems, and identical to his attempts previously:

I was just about to pay when i had this problem with the pick up, my pick up agent says i will need to pay for the pick up before they can
schedule a pick up time, they charged me $1500 for pick up and delivery and payments for pick up made through them is made to their
corporate international headquarters which is in china and the payments is made through western union money transfer, i will add the $1500 to the money i will send through Paypal as soon as i have made the payments, i will email you and let you know and please i will need you to help me send the money to my pick up agent HQ in china through western union money transfer,this can be done at any post office,there is always western union money transfer section in most post offices,you can also do it online at (http://www.westernunion.com.au), i would have done it myself but as i'm at sea and didn't bring my credit card here,I will appreciate your help here and thanks for your understanding

.

Of course, after having dealt with Nigerian inheritance scammers, the request for help in payment of fees, charges and the like, this effort by Mangion rings the bells of warning. Do not proceed further. I wonder how much money this guy has scammed in the last few years he has been operating, using this same repetitive formula and method.

Closing these guys down is difficult; the best way, and least costly to potential victims, to deal with it is recognition and publicity though websites such as this and word of mouth to friends. My grown up son first alerted me that it was a likely scam when I told him about the positive reply I had for my car ad in carsguide.com.au, from a guy who worked offshore in NZ and could only have the car picked up by courier.

Makes a good yarn over dinner with friends.

Cheers.

Hi Bryon Williams

Thanks for your message. I am fully warned. I note also that Carsguide.com.au gives a good and appropriate warning about scammers, and describes this Paul Mangion's method accurately, without actually naming him.
Here is Mangion's follow up email to me this morning:

'I have just completed the payment and i expected paypal to have notified you to this effect.check your mail folders(inbox,spam and junk mail) i sent $9,200 in all.i added $1,600 but $1,500 will be sent to my agent in China through western union at post office,the extra $100 is to cover the western union fee. Paypal said they will not release the fund until you email them the western union details for verification,and also to enable my pick up agent to come for pick up and inspection.Here is the agent's details where the money will be sent.

Name LIJIANG XUAN
Address 18 Suhao Building
Nanxin Road
Nanshan District
Shenzhen China.



Please get the necessary details sent to paypal (Money Transfer Control Number)MTCN and senders name and address used to send the $1,500 so that they can release the whole fund into your account.Please get back to me once done.'

There was a fake Paypal email sent as well. When I logged into Paypal over the internet, not through Mangion's email link, surprise, there were no funds evident.

There must be some monetary return to these scamming methods through a sadly gullible group of recipients, since Paul Mangion seems to have been operating over a number of recent years, and not desisted through lack of success.

I hope others read these scamwarners.com postings. I'll certainly be mentioning this site to my friends

Just ignore all further contact with the scammer. Do not tell him that he is posted here.

You can expect the scammer to threaten you with FBI, Law Enforcement and lawyers/barristers. These are false threats. He is still trying to steal your money.

Please post the email address of the fake Paypal email. Please look at my signature for how to find email headers. Post the headers from the fake PP and Paul Mangion. In most cases there will be two email addresses in the header. This is the best way to warn others.

Hi all,
Latest from Paul Mangion after my non-response to his earlier email noting he had transferred money to Paypal:

Am getting worried here as my account has been debited and i have not heard anything from you after making the payment.you can email Paypal to confirm,the money was placed on hold and your account will only be credited after sending the money via western union and send the MTCN to Paypal for verification.
Await your reply.

On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 10:40 PM, Paul Mangion <[email protected]> wrote:
I have just completed the payment and i expected paypal to have notified you to this effect.check your mail folders(inbox,spam and junk mail) i sent $9,200 in all.i added $1,600 but $1,500 will be sent to my agent in China through western union at post office,the extra $100 is to cover the western union fee. Paypal said they will not release the fund until you email them the western union details for verification,and also to enable my pick up agent to come for pick up and inspection.Here is the agent's details where the money will be sent.

Name LIJIANG XUAN
Address 18 Suhao Building
Nanxin Road
Nanshan District
Shenzhen China.



Please get the necessary details sent to paypal (Money Transfer Control Number)MTCN and senders name and address used to send the $1,500 so that they can release the whole fund into your account.Please get back to me once done.

The email address Mangion uses to advise about the fake Paypal is:

[email protected] ; on behalf of; [email protected] [ [email protected] ]

Hi Bryon Williams

Here is the false Paypal email contents as you requested:

Hello Removed (BW),

This email confirms that you have received an Instant payment of $9,200.00 AUD from Paul Mangion via PayPal Merchandise Wire transfer Payment Service.
Reversals : This method of payment can not be reversed.

Status : Pending - Transport Agent Awaiting Payment.


View the details of this pending transaction below


________________________________________


Payment Details

Merchandise Amount:
$7,600.00 AUD
Transport Charges:

Total:
$1,600.00 AUD
$9,200.00 AUD
Status:
Pending
Quantity:
1
Merchandise Title:
CAR


________________________________________
Funds Remittance Details:
Name of Bank: Bank of Western Australia Limited

Name of Account Holder: Removed (BW)
Account Number: Removed (BW)
BSB: Removed (BW)


------------------------------ ------------------------------ ------------------------------ ------------
This payment has been deducted from the buyer's account and has been " APPROVED" but will not be credited into your bank account until the MTCN is sent to us for verification which is due to important random security measure that we do carry out on payments to ensure safety. As mentioned in the receipt of Payment and as per our new PayPal Payment policy, we have fully debited the total amount (above) from the buyer's account which includes the Transport/Delivery Charges.


In order to complete this transaction and get the funds approved in your account. We advice you go to nearest Western Union Money Transfer location and send the pick up fee of $1500.00 AUD to the buyer's Transport Agent and send us the Western Union Transaction details by replying directly to this email and you will receive a "CONFIRMATION E-mail" from PayPal® Service informing you that your account has been credited with $9,200.00 AUD as soon as the above information's has been received and Verified by us.

Please, find below the name and address of the Transport Agent where the $1500.00 AUD should be sent via Western Union





Name: LIJIANG XUAN
Address: 18 Suhao Building
Nanxin Road
Nanshan District
Shenzhen China.






Address Status:
Confirmed











Your account will be credited accordingly after replying to this email with the details of the Western Union requested which are the:

(1) MTCN;
(2) Sender's Name;
(3) Sender's Address;

* If there's any refusal from you to act upon the receipt of this payment notice, we will have to take a LEGAL ACTION against you as this is just a way to ensure PayPal a safer place for all our customers.
________________________________________
Note: As this transaction was done via our e-mail payments service, all inquiries should be directed to us by replying to this email. This email is the one being monitored for this transaction because the status of this transaction cannot be accessed via our customer care phone service section.
________________________________________
Sincerely,

The PayPal Team.

And another email shortly following that above:

Dear Removed (BW),


We hereby want to assure you once again that the total sum of $9,200.00AUD will be credited into your Bankwest Bank account as soon as you provide us with the complete details of the western union money transfer used to send the additional fund of $1500.00AUD meant for the item pick up to the buyer's pick up agent. We also want you to know that your money has already been deducted from the buyer's account and it cannot be returned back to him which means that it is secure with us but has been put on hold and will not be credited into your Bankwest Bank account until we receive the necessary details from you. The western union money transfer information's needed are the MTCN and the sender's name and address used to send the money. This information's will be given to you by western union after the money transfer has been done. The western union transfer can be done at western union section at your post office.

We are sorry for any inconveniences this might have caused and we want you to know that the total sum of $9,200.00AUD is ready and available to be credited into your Bankwest Bank account as soon as the necessary step is taken by you.

Needless to say, I feel no need to respond any further to the scammed. It was an interesting learning exercise.

Thank you.

[email protected] ; on behalf of; [email protected] [ [email protected] ]

Hi again

A last message from the Mangion scammer, trying desperately to get me to the post office with money in hand to send to him:

I asked PayPal about a holding account having your payment in it. They sent me a reply:

Paypal Will Always:
- Address our customers by their first and last name or business name of their PayPal account Paypal Will Never:
- Send an email to: "Undisclosed Recipients" or more than one email address
- Ask you to download a form or file to resolve an issue
- Ask in an email to verify an account using Personal Information such as Name, Date of Birth, Driver's License, or Address
- Ask in an email to verify an account using Bank Account Information such as Bank Name, Routing Number, or Bank Account PIN Number
- Ask in an email to verify an account using Credit Card Information such as Credit Card Number or Type, Expiration Date, ATM PIN Number, or
CVV2 Security Code
- Ask for your full credit card number without displaying the type of card and the last two digits
- Ask you for your full bank account number without displaying your bank name, type of account (Checking/Savings) and the last two digits
- Ask you for your security question answers without displaying each security question you created
- Ask you to ship an item, pay a shipping fee, send a Western Union Money Transfer, or provide a tracking number before the payment received is available in your transaction history READ!
Any time you receive an email about changes to your PayPal account, the safest way to confirm the email's validity is to log in to your PayPal account where any of the activity reported in the email will be available to view. DO NOT USE THE LINKS IN THE EMAIL RECEIVED TO VISIT THE PAYPAL WEBSITE. Instead, enter http://www.paypal.com into your browser to log in to your account.

I will wait for the payment to appear in my PayPal transaction history, then proceed with your instructions.

Thanks for your help.

Kind Regards

Removed (BW)

From: Paul Mangion [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Sunday, 11 January 2015 3:20 PM
To:XXXXXXX
Subject: Re: Carsguide vehicle

All you need do is get to post office with the cash,fill out the form and hand it over to the person in charge,MTCN will be on the receipt issued to you after sending the money so you will need to send the details to paypal by replying to any of their mails and your acct will be credited shortly after doing that and as for the transfer papers,my agent will sign them on my behalf so that's no a problem.

On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 2:45 AM, XXXXXXXX wrote:
I logged into my Paypal account on line to tell them to forward the money to your agent. But there is no money yet in my Paypal account. I'll wait for the money to arrive then complete the transfer.

You are in contact with a Criminal.

This criminal has all of your personal information.

Please stop all contact with them.

Everything he is using is fake. You are the only person using real infomation.

Also when you post please remove your name and email address from the post.

I have not mentioned this website to the scammer, going by the name 'Paul Mangion'.

Since sending him the previous copied message from PayPal (shown in entry above of Sun Jan 11, 2015 5:50 pm) with portion highlighted:

Paypal Will Never:
Ask you to ship an item, pay a shipping fee, send a Western Union Money Transfer, or provide a tracking number before the payment received is available in your transaction history READ!

I have had no further response from him.
Perhaps other recipients of similar scam techniques could use this means to stop the scammer in his tracks.

Hi guys
Im selling my car on car sales and received an interested buyer, his name is Lennon Lewis, i believe it is the same guy or the same people who run this scam. He has said he has sent money through paypal and i received rmails from paypal in my spam, he told me to help him out by sending money to him pick up agent located in china. I searched the address and came to this site.
Lennon lewis is the same guy as paul mangion

Be careful of these predators

Regards

Jesse

Hi sir
This guy is asking me to send money through, western union now.
what should i do?
Rezz.

Hello rezz,
The best thing to do is ignore this scammer that is trying to steal money from you.