eBay Second Chance Offer/Buyer Protection Scam

I also got the same type offer.


From: eBay [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 4:38 PM
To: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Subject: eBay Order Confirmation: 2010 Greenspeed Glyde Velomobile


looks like it comes from ebay, but not really.

came with the similar email


from engineer <[email protected]>

Finally managed to get to a laptop where I can check my inbox, hope it hasn't been long since you emailed. My wife and I celebrate 15 years of marriage and we're on vacation. Long story short, the winner after speaking on the phone, waited for him all day long came up and wanted a straight swap. If that wasn't enough the bugger almost made us miss our flight. I am willing to accept your last bid price $5,000.00 including shipping. It is in perfect condition. I've got nothing to hide, agree with and recommend for your peace of mind a proper inspection before cash changes hands. I will only proceed using the eBay Protection Program. You will get 5 days for item inspection, I do accept returns. I can't accept a direct payment through this program, all payments will be handled by eBay. Seems eBay won't release the funds to me until you confirm the item's as described. If I just knew about this ebay program from the start. There's always something new to learn. Next week I'll return home and would like to have a buyer waiting for me.


If you wish to proceed further please send me your:


FULL NAME and THE SHIPPING ADDRESS.


I am looking forward to hear from you.


Best Regards!




P.S. My cell phone says no network coverage but I do check emails regularly.

Welcome to Scamwarners hekdue.

I presume that you're based in the USA ?

This is a worrying development as these scammers have restricted their operations to the UK and Europe mainly.

Hi, yes i got scammed too, same story, same emails and from the same ba**ard Andy, US$2700, but i feel even more unlikely to see my funds back.
I live in New Zealand, the scam was involving a listing on US ebay and the account is Loyds TSB bank in the UK.

specifically
SWIFT/BIC: LOYDGB21
Beneficiary: M.Z. Financial
IBAN: GB41 LOYD30 9618 4739 2268 (Added: BW)
Bank Name: Lloyds TSB Bank
Bank Address: 12 Zulla Road, Nottingham, NG3 5BY, United Kingdom
Beneficiary Address: 1 Legg Street, Chelmsford, CM1 1JS, United Kingdom
Bank Account Noted (BW)

Is there any specific advice you can offer me? given my circumstances?

seabass

*edit* more details of the emails

Initial email read:

13/6/2013
From: [email protected]

Dear (my username),
You've been given a second chance to buy 1930-1931 Model A body,Rat Rod,Custom Coupe, Chopped model A, which you placed a bid on for $ 3,300.00 on Jun 06, 2013 . To purchase this item, reply to this email or just contact the seller at: [email protected]...

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And after a few emails negotiating the price with the supposed Andy, on these addresses, [email protected] and [email protected] (who doesnt have two emails right?) i get:


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17/6/2013
From: [email protected]

Way to go (my username)! The next step is to pay.

Congratulations, it's all yours!

Hi (my username)

registered the second chance offer you recently received with eBay Protection Program. We hope you enjoy your 1930-1931 Model A body,Rat Rod,Custom Coupe, Chopped model A. The next step is to pay. Pay now to get your item as qickly as possible....

(bottom of this email gave the payment instructions others have posted only the bank and recipient were:)

SWIFT/BIC: LOYDGB21
Beneficiary: M.Z. Financial
Bank Name: Lloyds TSB Bank
Bank Address: 12 Zulla Road, Nottingham, NG3 5BY, United Kingdom
Beneficiary Address: 1 Legg Street, Chelmsford, CM1 1JS, United Kingdom

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Bank Account Noted (BW)

^^PM sent for email address and emails.

I'm not sure I know what to say any more to victims seabass.

It's unusual to see a Lloyds TSB account involved. There's something seriously wrong with the system as fraudsters appear to have found a safe haven in UK banking in which they can flourish.

It's an appalling situation and one with risks to the UK that could do lasting damage to banking and commerce. The banks appear unable to control the situation and I believe it's time for the authorities to go in and examine what's going on.

@seabass,

Thank you for posting all these email addresses the scammer used [email protected] , [email protected] and [email protected] .

You need to contact your bank and file a police report. Also make a report here http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx
I would also notify Ebay by phone and through reporting system.

I am sorry that you were tricked into this.

Just letting you know the IBAN on the account

IBAN: GB41 LOYD30 9618 4739 2268

Sadly I have been caught by this as well. Large amount of money for high end guitar - this time to Hungarian bank. IBAN HU88109180010000004062000000

What fooled me was the real ebay ID and the real email address. How is he getting those?

Also - I used the fake chat line help service, which I have to say was incredibly helpful and very good English.

The chat URL was http://gets-data9121.mine.nu/ which can only see now because it has been taken down. I have asked for information on the domain mine.nu bit I am sure that will be fake too.

I am staggered by the scale of this fraud. He seems to use andy in all of the ones I have read on this forum. Mine was Andy Wings <[email protected]> but there also emails from engineer <[email protected]> to so Engineer and Andy seem to be common threads.

I have reported this to the UK police via action fraud but I wonder if they really know the extent of this. THe guy is using the same process all over the world. I repeat 0 how on earth does he get the real iD and email address? I initially suspected the original seller but that is obviously not the case as it is happening everywhere.

I got exactly the same email, same sad story about buyer not turning up and exactly the same follow up emails.

Hi mdwjones.
I am a victim of this fraud type as well. It cost me $2500 for Taylor Koa 24ce guitar. The seller of an auction was "dallasusedguitar".
I tried to contact eBay to tell me how he had got my memberID, email address and the price I offered. I sent my message to eBay three times then they answered:

Hello xxxx,

Thank you for writing to us regarding the guitar (item 300913998834) that you paid through bank transfer. I understand you would like to know how the seller obtain your details as they’ve sent you a second chance offer.

Before I continue, I would like to apologise if you’re not able to receive any response from us in your previous emails.

Please know that the seller was able to obtain your details after you submitted a Best Offer for their item.

Wit regard to the second chance offer that you received, I've checked your account and found that the offer you received is a fake. It appears the sender of the email was trying to get you to buy from them outside the security of the ebay platform. I'm afraid this means you won't be able to leave Feedback for this item and your purchase isn't protected by our buyer protection services.

Unfortunately, ebay can't assist you with purchases completed outside the website, even if the seller led you to believe they were offering the item via ebay. Valid purchases are displayed in My ebay. You should always make sure that your User ID is listed as the winning bidder on the 'Item ended' page before sending money for a purchase.

There are a number of things you can still do:

- Try and reverse payment

Since you’ve paid the item through bank transfer, you can contact your bank as they may be able to stop the payment.

- Contact your local police

ebay will gladly help the police with their investigations if needed. Please ask the investigating officer to email us by clicking the 'report information to ebay' link on the following page:

http://pages.ebay.co.uk/help/buy/role-of-ebay.html

How can you identify a real Second Chance Offer?

To accept a genuine Second Chance Offer you must log in to My ebay and complete the purchase on the ebay website. If you can't find the offer in the Buying section of My ebay, it's not valid.

How else can you protect yourself from email scams and fraud?

Always complete your purchases on the ebay website - it's the safest way to trade with other ebay members. Please report anyone who asks you to buy outside ebay.

You'll also find lots of useful information at ebay's Safety Centre. Simply copy this link into a new browser window:

http://pages.ebay.co.uk/consumer-rights ... ights.html

I trust this information clarifies the matter.

Kind regards,

Elinor Edwards
ebay Trust & Safety

IBAN: GB63 BARC 2053 0480 2424 70 account noted - Michelle

I apologize for my English.

If you do a Google search on the buying and selling of eBay accounts it's not difficult to work out what's going on. It is against the eBay user conditions but there are websites and even facebook pages doing it, and I've seen ads on Gumtree offering to pay cash for them.

To my knowledge it's not illegal, but you only need to consider why someone would want or need to buy an eBay account and you know the risk it poses to honest users of eBay. Combined with the lax and ineffective regulation of UK banks and this is a major problem that will cost consumers millions.

I don´t think so it´s so easy. Nobody but the seller knows your member ID and the amount you offered. The others can see only the first and the last letter of your member ID and asterisks among them (like j*****j) and no amounts. And I think that the seller can send you a message via eBay but he doesn´t know your email address.

Regarding eBay second chance offers:-

http://www.antifraudnews.com/ebay-scammers-part-2/

Another prevalent eBay Scam involves the ‘Second Chance Offer’. On eBay, if your bid for an Item is unsuccessful, the Seller may still offer you a ‘second chance’ to buy the Item, once the Auction has ended. This could be because the Winning Bidder cannot pay, or that the Seller has more than one identical Item for sale. This is a genuine eBay facility and may seem attractive to unsuccessful Bidders. However, the Scam version of it works as follows: The Scammer lists a bogus, high-value Item that it feels will attract a lot of interest. It uses another (hacked or fake) eBay User ID to bid high for the Item and ultimately ‘win’ it. When the Auction ends, the Scammer sends Second Chance Offers to unsuccessful Bidders, milking in numerous payments for an Item that never existed. As before, carefully check the ‘Second Chance’ email from eBay by looking for your registered name at the top of it and also logging into your eBay Account to see if a copy of the email is in your Messages Folder

If you aren't convinced Jaggerr I can probably show you a working example that I have tracked down.

If you aren't convinced Jaggerr I can probably show you a working example that I have tracked down.

Can I ask you for it? Thanks.

2 Michelle
"dallasuseguitar" (http://myworld.ebay.co.uk/dallasusedgui ... EM:GB:1181) has got the positive feedback 100% and more than 4500 feedback score. I don´t believe that the seller and the scammer is the same person. I contacted him via eBay message after I paid and he wrote me:

Dear xxxx,
I have not sent any second chance offers to anyone.
Sounds like you've been a victim of fraud by some other person. You should contact ebay and paypal asap.
XXXX
- dallasusedguitar

mwdjones
Please can you tell us the nick of the seller? Thanks.

Serves me right for making the offer Jaggerr and I 'll keep it in mind the next time I don't think first before posting.

I spend a lot of time tracking and tracing ads and offers between the various ad sites, and having connected this one between several, I want to keep it under observation to see how it operates. I therefore don't want to identify it and risk losing it at the present time.

The fact that fraudsters are attempting to buy and sell Ebay accounts is beyond doubt, as anyone can use Google to find the websites, facebook pages and ads offering to do just that. The problem is, of course, that it isn't illegal, but there is no legitimate reason for the trade and it breaks Ebay's User Agreement, making any account so traded liable to instant closure, as well as making those involved liable to unknown and unlimited risk.

People have even visited the forum asking about allowing a stranger to use their Ebay account to sell goods without understanding the risks they're taking in doing it. If someone doesn't feel able to open their own Ebay account, then that's warning enough.

I apologise for making a fool of myself. It's not the first time but I try not to do it too frequently.